Curse

sly_1 · Sep 28, 2005, 03:20 PM // 15:20

It's obvious to me they will nerf mending. That skill is waaaay overpowered!

MSecorsky · Sep 28, 2005, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by Akathrielah

old Nature's Renewal is hex removal as a nuke is a type of bomb.

I mean really, it was stupidly strong in pvp and had little use in PvE, so give it up already.

Like or not interrupts have to be readjusted, they shouldn't spike harder than damn near everything else in game.

No, no.. I agree, it was rediculously overpowered. However... there's nothing left. Too much was taken away.

As for interrupts, they're fine and far too easy to counter.

The undead Mesmer · Sep 28, 2005, 03:37 PM // 15:37

try using something different like a errrm WATER ele im sure some skills there are powerfull.

Anet plz buff mist form

Snowman · Sep 28, 2005, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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Originally Posted by Alex Weekes

A major part of the balance changes this time around included a long look at under-used skills. A large proportion of the changes are improvements, rather than nerfs, and when we have nerfed we've tried to do so in a way that preserves the viability of a build while removing the 'overpowered' elements. We don't want to punish players for being inventive

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There are alot of skills which have good use in PvE but not really used in PvP.

So when determining which skills are "under-used" do you mean in the PVP scene or the PVE scene?.. or do you try to improve skills so that they would be more used in both scenes ?

As the balance update was announced in the same breath as the new tourny announcment, I would assume that the skills under review would probably be looking at the PVP Scene, so understandable that peeps should worry about their PvE.

The undead Mesmer · Sep 28, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42

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Originally Posted by Snowman

There are alot of skills which have good use in PvE but not really used in PvP.

So when determining which skills are "under-used" do you mean in the PVP scene or the PVE scene?.. or do you try to improve skills so that they would be more used in both scenes ?

As the balance update was announced in the same breath as the new tourny announcment, I would assume that the skills under review would probably be looking at the PVP Scene, so understandable that peeps should worry about their PvE.

meh maybe but what skills would be nerfed this time? i can only think of tainted flesh atm.

kawaii_bat · Sep 28, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57

They should change Sooooooo many necromancer skills it isn't even funny anymore thinkgina bout it!

I mean dark pact! Who in his right MIND would sacrifice 17% of his health to deal a measly 10-40 shadow damage? WHO?!
Oh! sure it's 5 energy sure it's got a awesome skill recharge but no one uses it!

No one!

Those blood and curses skills need serious upratings instead of nerfs.
signet of agony, touch of agony, defile flesh really blow!

snepp · Sep 28, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

As for interrupts, they're fine and far too easy to counter.

When an interrupt build can deal more damage than a damage build does, it's not fine. The fact that it can be countered is irrelevant.

MSecorsky · Sep 28, 2005, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by snepp

When an interrupt build can deal more damage than a damage build does, it's not fine. The fact that it can be countered is irrelevant.

The damage arrows do more damage than the interrupts. Two do 1-13 damage, one does a plus damage only if you catch them casting a spell.

Sentao Nugra · Sep 28, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

skill fixes i forsee:

ether renewal is +5 energy flat, not per enchantment
savage shot is slowed down, along with other ranger interrupts
elemential skills get lower energy OR higher damage and quicker cast times
warriors... dont need any fixes ive seen of late
monks are working fine, and since the regular smiting skills (not ER) were being used before the first patch, they will stay the same and just change ER. but maybe a little boost to healing skills (faster recharge possibly?)
for necros all i see is a slowed down cast or recharge of some corpse skills
and mesmers need a little boost to chaos storm (lower energy or more damage) and something to make echo{e} more efficient than arcane echo other than energy (since really only eles use it or for shatter hex)

thats all i can see, but i havent been playing all my chars lately

tigernz · Sep 28, 2005, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by kawaii_bat

They should change Sooooooo many necromancer skills it isn't even funny anymore thinkgina bout it!

I mean dark pact! Who in his right MIND would sacrifice 17% of his health to deal a measly 10-40 shadow damage? WHO?!
Oh! sure it's 5 energy sure it's got a awesome skill recharge but no one uses it!

No one!

Those blood and curses skills need serious upratings instead of nerfs.
signet of agony, touch of agony, defile flesh really blow!

Hate to disagree with you here but...

Ever tried a blood necro spamming dark pact, shadow strike & vamp gaze? 200+ UNRESISTED damage in about 5-6 seconds, and provided the enemy was over 50% health when you started casting you can go dark pact->shadow strike->dark pact -> vamp gaze and deal 270 or so (unresisted) damage and still be at full health.

Signet of Agony and Touch of Agony also work very well with the right build (Dark Aura necro using AotL anyone?)

Haven't really used defile flesh so can't comment on that.

The one change I'd like to see is fixing the glitch that causes kindle arrows to do the kindle damage even when the arrow misses/is blocked/is evaded

kawaii_bat · Sep 28, 2005, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by tigernz

Hate to disagree with you here but...

Ever tried a blood necro spamming dark pact, shadow strike & vamp gaze? 200+ UNRESISTED damage in about 5-6 seconds, and provided the enemy was over 50% health when you started casting you can go dark pact->shadow strike->dark pact -> vamp gaze and deal 270 or so (unresisted) damage and still be at full health.

Signet of Agony and Touch of Agony also work very well with the right build (Dark Aura necro using AotL anyone?)

Haven't really used defile flesh so can't comment on that.

The one change I'd like to see is fixing the glitch that causes kindle arrows to do the kindle damage even when the arrow misses/is blocked/is evaded

You're talking about shadow strike & vamp gaze not *only* Dark pact.

I don't agree with a skill that causes you to lose 1/10+ your health and deals maximum 40 damage. Sure it passes armor, sure you can do it often...But it's just no practical in my eyes.

Shyft the Pyro · Sep 28, 2005, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by kawaii_bat

You're talking about shadow strike & vamp gaze not *only* Dark pact.

I don't agree with a skill that causes you to lose 1/10+ your health and deals maximum 40 damage. Sure it passes armor, sure you can do it often...But it's just no practical in my eyes.

And that's exactly why you can't look at a skill on its own. Dark Pact synergizes perfectly with the life-stealing power of many Blood Magic skills. The whole point of sacrificing life is to steal it back in the most devious way possible

Protective Bond would not have been nerfed if Balthazar's Spirit and Essence Bond didn't exist.

Mhydrian · Sep 28, 2005, 04:42 PM // 16:42

I hope they eff up mesmers and make melee less easily countered.

Sanji · Sep 28, 2005, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by Mhydrian

I hope they eff up mesmers and make melee less easily countered.

Don't hold your breath.

Mhydrian · Sep 28, 2005, 04:52 PM // 16:52

Frag mesmers need to be "adjusted" single spells that disable an entire class(melee) for an entire fight have NO place in competitive PVP.

Imagine if melee had a fire and forget skill that was easy to refresh that rendered a caster completely unable to cast and snared them as well. Imagine the outcrys.

Xue Yi Liang · Sep 28, 2005, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Alex Weekes

We don't want to punish players for being inventive

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That's all I need to know.

Aera Lure · Sep 28, 2005, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Xue Yi Liang

That's all I need to know.

Hear hear. I'm happy with that as well.

rii · Sep 28, 2005, 04:59 PM // 16:59

Most of the skills asking for buffs so far really are fine. Either they are weak atm and wont get buffed since buffing them would make them overpowered (e.g. vampiric gaze), or they are fairly powerful anyway (mist form).

Frag mesmers do lots of damage but only on condition.... organisation owns it as has been said many times.

Melee is easily countered but with stuff like martyr its not too hard to uncounter. As for hexes, most monks have hex breaker, so that leaves all the removes, smites and converts for the offense. Aside from rapid hax stacking.

A few skills that might actually get changed (from my point of view);

rust: Upgrade to nearby pllllllllllllease!?

Oh yeah and i was joking about arcane echo chaos storm, although it is reasonable in fairness. I used it in the henge mission to great sucess.

wsmcasey · Sep 28, 2005, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

Hear hear. I'm happy with that as well.

If only it were true. Seems kinda 2 faced to say "we dont want to punish players for being inventive", yet they do it anyways. lmfao

Akathrielah · Sep 28, 2005, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by Mhydrian

Frag mesmers need to be "adjusted" single spells that disable an entire class(melee) for an entire fight have NO place in competitive PVP.

Imagine if melee had a fire and forget skill that was easy to refresh that rendered a caster completely unable to cast and snared them as well. Imagine the outcrys.

What spell is this? And its called condition and hex removal, I mean really, if your tombs team can't find a spot to bring some hex and condition removal, make some. You only have yourself to blame if you dont have any and you get slammed by some hex and/or condition.

And the deal with interrupts is the fact that Punishing Shot is basically Power Shot that can interrupt and the fact that all 3 (punishing, savage, and distracting) can be chained in less than a second. Combine this with kindle and you have a potent combo. Use this in a chain RIGHT after you fired dual shot and you've got yourself a rather stupid powerful combo.

And the fact that this can be countered is moot, all damage can be countered, and all forms of direct damage is more or less "easy" to counter (warrior, ranger, elementalist, blood necromancer). Either is an evasion/dodge skill/enchantment (Aegis) or a damage capper (prot spirit) or the combination of the two.